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Postmans 12.35, 17 Kasım 2018 tarihinde

2018-11-17T12:35:10Z

← Önceki sürüm		14.35, 17 Kasım 2018 tarihindeki hâli
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	On average, this means 1 clue token per 1 playable card. No matter what variant you play, you will end up with roughly this number. (Worst: 5-player game, with players that have 4 cards in their hands, playing 5 colours. This gives 22 tokens for 25 cards = 0.88 clue token per card. Best: 2-player game, with players that have 6 cards in their hands, playing 6 colours. This gives 35 tokens for 30 cards = 1.17 token per card.)		On average, this means 1 clue token per 1 playable card. No matter what variant you play, you will end up with roughly this number. (Worst: 5-player game, with players that have 4 cards in their hands, playing 5 colours. This gives 22 tokens for 25 cards = 0.88 clue token per card. Best: 2-player game, with players that have 6 cards in their hands, playing 6 colours. This gives 35 tokens for 30 cards = 1.17 token per card.)

	The strategies below are based on an optimization of economical use of the clue-tokens. The strategies below are only the basic elements of the convention generally played at BGA. By combining them and using some logical extrapolations one can derive moves which are even more advanced.		The strategies below are based on an optimization of economical use of the clue-tokens. The strategies below are only the basic elements of the convention generally played at BGA. By combining them and using some logical extrapolations one can derive moves which are even more advanced. There are also groups of players on BGA and elsewhere who play with quite different convention sets, where each set has its advantages and downsides.

	== Basics ==		== Basics ==

Postmans 12.34, 17 Kasım 2018 tarihinde

2018-11-17T12:34:10Z

← Önceki sürüm		14.34, 17 Kasım 2018 tarihindeki hâli
10. satır:		10. satır:
	On average, this means 1 clue token per 1 playable card. No matter what variant you play, you will end up with roughly this number. (Worst: 5-player game, with players that have 4 cards in their hands, playing 5 colours. This gives 22 tokens for 25 cards = 0.88 clue token per card. Best: 2-player game, with players that have 6 cards in their hands, playing 6 colours. This gives 35 tokens for 30 cards = 1.17 token per card.)		On average, this means 1 clue token per 1 playable card. No matter what variant you play, you will end up with roughly this number. (Worst: 5-player game, with players that have 4 cards in their hands, playing 5 colours. This gives 22 tokens for 25 cards = 0.88 clue token per card. Best: 2-player game, with players that have 6 cards in their hands, playing 6 colours. This gives 35 tokens for 30 cards = 1.17 token per card.)

	~~All~~ strategies below are based on an ~~optimisation~~ of economical use of the clue-tokens.		The strategies below are based on an optimization of economical use of the clue-tokens. The strategies below are only the basic elements of the convention generally played at BGA. By combining them and using some logical extrapolations one can derive moves which are even more advanced.

	== Basics ==		== Basics ==

Postmans: /* General */ more friendly wording, but trying to catch the same goal, some discussion in advance. Using red thumbs for mismatching play is rather rare, and public red thumbs even not allowed

2018-11-17T12:28:16Z

General: more friendly wording, but trying to catch the same goal, some discussion in advance. Using red thumbs for mismatching play is rather rare, and public red thumbs even not allowed

← Önceki sürüm		14.28, 17 Kasım 2018 tarihindeki hâli
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	== General ==		== General ==
	On BGA, there is no 1-strategy-to-be-played. However, if people start playing different ~~strategies~~ in 1 game, the game is doomed to fail. ~~That is why communication in advance~~ is ~~very important, and why most hanabi-players get~~ a ~~lot of red thumbs. (Different strategy is interpreted as ruining~~ the game.)		On BGA, there is no 1 set strategy (convention) to be played. However, if people start playing different conventions in one game, the game is doomed to fail. It is a good idea to discuss before the game which conventions you will be using.

	The strategies explained in this guide all have 1 goal in mind: to get the highest possible score, in the most amount of games. There are people who find score less important, and want to challenge themselves logically, or "just want to have fun". Again, communication in advance of the game is key.		The strategies explained in this guide all have 1 goal in mind: to get the highest possible score, in the most amount of games. There are people who find score less important, and want to challenge themselves logically, or "just want to have fun". Again, communication in advance of the game is key.

Bigwhale74: /* Finesse */ fixed wrong card

2018-08-16T17:15:48Z

Finesse: fixed wrong card

← Önceki sürüm		19.15, 16 Ağustos 2018 tarihindeki hâli
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	</code>		</code>

	Player 1 can't give a red-clue to Player 2, because this would cause Player 2 to bomb with r4. Instead, Player 1 now gives a red-clue to Player 3, marking R2 as PLAY. Player 2 sees that the R2 is ALMOST playable. This means that Player 2 has the LOGICAL inbetween step: Player 2 has to play R1. Player 2 knows that R2 can only be at the DRAW position, or at the middle position. Since Player 1 deliberately let Player 2 discard a playable 1 the round before, Player 2 concludes that she was already holding a second R1 at the time. Therefore, the LOGICAL place for the R1 to be, is at the middle position; NOT the DRAW position.		Player 1 can't give a red-clue to Player 2, because this would cause Player 2 to bomb with r4. Instead, Player 1 now gives a red-clue to Player 3, marking R2 as PLAY. Player 2 sees that the R2 is ALMOST playable. This means that Player 2 has the LOGICAL inbetween step: Player 2 has to play R1. Player 2 knows that R1 can only be at the DRAW position, or at the middle position. Since Player 1 deliberately let Player 2 discard a playable 1 the round before, Player 2 concludes that she was already holding a second R1 at the time. Therefore, the LOGICAL place for the R1 to be, is at the middle position; NOT the DRAW position.

	=== Bluff ===		=== Bluff ===

Bigwhale74: /* Basic Example */ fixed game outlook for both options

2018-08-16T16:58:42Z

Basic Example: fixed game outlook for both options

← Önceki sürüm		18.58, 16 Ağustos 2018 tarihindeki hâli
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	(newest ... oldest)		(newest ... oldest)
	Player 1: R4, Y3, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1		Player 1: R4, Y3, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1
	Player 2: G2~~, G(1)~~, G(1), W3, Y2		Player 2: B5, G2, G(1), W3, Y2
	Player 3: Y5, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B1, B2		Player 3: Y5, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B1, B2

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	(newest ... oldest)		(newest ... oldest)
	Player 1: R4, Y5, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1		Player 1: R4, Y5, G4, B(2), Y(2) Played: R1, Y1, G1, B1, W1
	Player 2: Y3, G(1), W3, Y2~~, B(1)~~		Player 2: B5, Y3, G(1), W3, Y2
	Player 3: G2, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B2, B1		Player 3: G2, (R)4, W4, (R)3, G3 Discarded: B2, B1

Bigwhale74: /* Basic Example */ changed (oldest ... newest) order for the sake of everyone :)

2018-08-16T08:19:56Z

Basic Example: changed (oldest ... newest) order for the sake of everyone :)

← Önceki sürüm		10.19, 16 Ağustos 2018 tarihindeki hâli
49. satır:		49. satır:

	Imagine the following starting situation:		Imagine the following starting situation:
	(~~oldest~~ ... ~~newest~~)		(newest ... oldest)
	Player 1: W1, Y1, B2, Y2, B2		Player 1: W1, Y1, B2, Y2, B2
	Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1		Player 2: G1, G1, W3, Y2, B1

Wisling: /* Intentional Discard */

2018-04-20T18:15:52Z

Intentional Discard

← Önceki sürüm		20.15, 20 Nisan 2018 tarihindeki hâli
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	=== Intentional Discard ===		=== Intentional Discard ===

	Sometimes players can have hands where all cards are important and unplayable. To tell a player that his hand blocked, discard your '''CHOP''' card, even when you know you have a playable card. This is often done when you are low on (or out of) clue-tokens. This is a risky move, since your team mate(s) might expect you to play, instead of discard. ('''always try to give him clue to ~~give and~~ play his hand as fast as it possible''')		Sometimes players can have hands where all cards are important and unplayable. To tell a player that his hand blocked, discard your '''CHOP''' card, even when you know you have a playable card. This is often done when you are low on (or out of) clue-tokens. This is a risky move, since your team mate(s) might expect you to play, instead of discard. ('''always try to give him a clue token to use or help him play his hand as fast as possible''')

	=== Positional Discard ===		=== Positional Discard ===

Gamersktrashcan: /* Strategies for 2-Player games */

2018-03-23T11:45:47Z

Strategies for 2-Player games

← Önceki sürüm		13.45, 23 Mart 2018 tarihindeki hâli
332. satır:		332. satır:
	''Early game''<br>		''Early game''<br>
	In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:

	1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.		1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.

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	''Mid game''<br>		''Mid game''<br>
	In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:

	1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.		1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.

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	''End game''<br>		''End game''<br>
	In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:		In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:

	1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.		1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.

Gamersktrashcan: /* Strategies for 2-Player games */

2018-03-23T11:45:16Z

Strategies for 2-Player games

← Önceki sürüm		13.45, 23 Mart 2018 tarihindeki hâli
289. satır:		289. satır:
	== Strategies for 2-Player games ==		== Strategies for 2-Player games ==
	'''Strategy #1'''		'''Strategy #1'''

	Pro's: Easy to execute<br>		Pro's: Easy to execute<br>
	Con's: Double discard possible for 4s. Easy to get the hands locked.<br>		Con's: Double discard possible for 4s. Easy to get the hands locked.<br>
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	'''Strategy #2'''		'''Strategy #2'''

	Pro's: Guarantees a score of 28+<br>		Pro's: Guarantees a score of 28+<br>
	Con's: Easy to get the hands locked.<br>		Con's: Easy to get the hands locked.<br>
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	3. The late game: The last moves, starting from the point where the number of "saved cards" + deck = maximum achievable score.		3. The late game: The last moves, starting from the point where the number of "saved cards" + deck = maximum achievable score.

			''Early game''<br>
	In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:
	1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.		1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.
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	5. 4-clues should only be given, when the 4 is blocking a colour-clue in the future. Cards marked with 4 in the early game should be discarded in the mid game.		5. 4-clues should only be given, when the 4 is blocking a colour-clue in the future. Cards marked with 4 in the early game should be discarded in the mid game.

			''Mid game''<br>
	In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:
	1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.		1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.
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	7. When a player has only one unmarked card in his hand, then this player is forbidden to discard two turns in a row.		7. When a player has only one unmarked card in his hand, then this player is forbidden to discard two turns in a row.

			''End game''<br>
	In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:		In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:
	1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.		1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.

Gamersktrashcan: /* Strategies for 2-Player games */

2018-03-23T11:43:58Z

Strategies for 2-Player games

← Önceki sürüm		13.43, 23 Mart 2018 tarihindeki hâli
330. satır:		330. satır:
	In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the early game, the goal is to 'sort' the hand cards into "old" cards and "new" cards. Since all cards are equally old in the beginning, it is unclear which cards are relevant, and which aren't. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:
	1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.		1. Players are not allowed to discard before 3 clue-tokens are spent.

	2. After the early game, the right-most unclued cards will be considered "old" and therefore discardable. So the focus of the clues in the early game should be to save the valuable three right-most cards.		2. After the early game, the right-most unclued cards will be considered "old" and therefore discardable. So the focus of the clues in the early game should be to save the valuable three right-most cards.

	3. 1s should be marked with colour as much as possible.		3. 1s should be marked with colour as much as possible.

	4. A 1-clue should only be given when it marks three or more unique 1s.		4. A 1-clue should only be given when it marks three or more unique 1s.

	5. 4-clues should only be given, when the 4 is blocking a colour-clue in the future. Cards marked with 4 in the early game should be discarded in the mid game.		5. 4-clues should only be given, when the 4 is blocking a colour-clue in the future. Cards marked with 4 in the early game should be discarded in the mid game.

	In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:		In the mid game, the goal is to play as many playable cards as possible, and save as many useful cards as possible. In order to do so, players follow these guidelines:
	1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.		1. Players will be as efficient as possible with clue-tokens. Re-marking cards (spending a clue-token that gives MORE information on a saved card) is highly discouraged.

	2. All 2s, 3s and 5s must be saved, even when the 2s or 3s are not unique.		2. All 2s, 3s and 5s must be saved, even when the 2s or 3s are not unique.

	3a. Any clue means "play the newest, PREVIOUSLY UNMARKED, card". With the exception of a SAVE-clue, or a correction-clue.		3a. Any clue means "play the newest, PREVIOUSLY UNMARKED, card". With the exception of a SAVE-clue, or a correction-clue.

	3b. A card can be saved in four possible ways:		3b. A card can be saved in four possible ways:
	I. A number-clue that marks the CHOP card.		I. A number-clue that marks the CHOP card.
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	IV. A deliberate misplay. When player 1 gives player 2 a PLAY-clue, that causes player 2 to BOMB, player 2 knows to SAVE all the cards OLDER than the card that was used to bomb.		IV. A deliberate misplay. When player 1 gives player 2 a PLAY-clue, that causes player 2 to BOMB, player 2 knows to SAVE all the cards OLDER than the card that was used to bomb.
	3c. When a useless card is marked as SAVE, it is desired to give a correction-clue. This re-marks the card, indicating its uselessness. Preferably, this shouldn't mark any other cards. When it does, the clue is a PLAY-clue with the correction as an additional benefit.		3c. When a useless card is marked as SAVE, it is desired to give a correction-clue. This re-marks the card, indicating its uselessness. Preferably, this shouldn't mark any other cards. When it does, the clue is a PLAY-clue with the correction as an additional benefit.

	4. Double discarding (discarding a card that could be the same card that was just discarded), is not allowed.		4. Double discarding (discarding a card that could be the same card that was just discarded), is not allowed.

	5. Play-clues shouldn't be given when there are 3 or less clue-tokens available, except when it leads to more than 1 PLAY.		5. Play-clues shouldn't be given when there are 3 or less clue-tokens available, except when it leads to more than 1 PLAY.

	6. When a player has only two unmarked cards in his hand (all other slots are filled with SAVES), then this player should keep discarding to a minimum.		6. When a player has only two unmarked cards in his hand (all other slots are filled with SAVES), then this player should keep discarding to a minimum.

	7. When a player has only one unmarked card in his hand, then this player is forbidden to discard two turns in a row.		7. When a player has only one unmarked card in his hand, then this player is forbidden to discard two turns in a row.

	In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:		In the end game, the goal is to get the last remaining cards sorted in the correct hands, to maximise the score. This is achieved, by following these guidelines:
	1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.		1. Discarding is highly discouraged. If there are enough clue-tokens, then stall-clues should be given.

	2. Playable cards must be prioritised based on the number of plays it unlocks. This way the number of SAVED cards in hands is minimised.		2. Playable cards must be prioritised based on the number of plays it unlocks. This way the number of SAVED cards in hands is minimised.

	3. It is recommended that both players keep at least one 5 in their hand. This way, in the last turn, both players can make a final move.		3. It is recommended that both players keep at least one 5 in their hand. This way, in the last turn, both players can make a final move.